Let’s talk about the current Robin, Damian Wayne, and how people draw him. The little prepubescent ball of angst, anger and “ttt” grade arrogance (dare you to not imagine him having a soft international British-English influenced accent) who also has a startling vulnerability, has won over a lot of fans since his introduction. He has sky rocketed into popularity following his donning of the Robin mantle in 2008/2009 through his endearing relationship with Dick and surprisingly, Stephanie Brown as Batgirl (truly one of the worst of the reboot losses, their Batgirl/Robin dynamic was too good and his relationship with Babs is nonexistent and bland at best). A mixed-race child taking the mantle of a well-known and ‘iconic’ character should be a big deal; however, this fact isn’t emphasized as much as it should be. He is constantly portrayed by DC Comics’ artists as yet another Bruce Wayne clone: Caucasian, pale, blue eyed and black haired. People generally wouldn’t know he was of mixed heritage at all unless they know the history of his character and the al Ghul family.
Genetics are a funny thing and many children of mixed marriages can either favor one parent over the other or be a strong mix of both. Bruce’s extreme WASP/ possibly Ashkenazi Jewish (if Martha Kane, his mother is related to the same Kanes as Kate Kane, Batwoman, then she was most likely Jewish or partially Jewish herself) heritage is the whitest of the white. There’s no skirting around that. So yes, Damian could very well favor his father. The problem isn’t if he favors his father, it’s just that many elements of his mixed heritage from his mother’s side are promptly ignored by DC artists completely. That’s the problem.
Fan artists seem to understand him a bit more and give him more distinguishable features. In a lot of fan-art online, you see subtle inclusion of Damian’s true heritage; whether its eye-shape or facial structure that suggest he is not white, or he simply has tanned skin, these artists identify him as multi-ethnic. What’s the deal DC? Why can’t you do the same?
One thing that is a hot button issue and I feel I need to get out of the way are his blue eyes. As shown by the Shortpacked comic, most people argue that because he has Chinese and Arab heritage he must have dark eyes. That’s just not true. Many fancasts for live action “Batman” often cast him with young 100% Iranian actor Arsalan Ghasemi specifically because of Arsalan’s vivid blue-green eyes.
Arsalan sadly is much too old now to play Damian, as you can see. Additionally, no one knows of his acting abilities or English speaking, but the sentiment of casting Damian or basing his look off of someone actually from the Middle East is quite admirable. That’s where most of Damian comes from! He could look like that! But just because Arsalan has blue eyes does not mean he is particularly special or worthy of being a good face cast. Many people of various ethnic groups from the Middle East and even Muslim peoples and other communities in China have fair eyes, skin and hair, and many, many different skin tones and features. All are people of color, all are nationally Iranian, Afghan, Pakistani or Chinese. Arsalan Ghasemi’s looks are not that unusual at all for the Middle East. People look like that from there! It’s the same all the way to communities into India as well. So yes, Damian can very well have blue, blue-green or hazel eyes, especially since Bruce can only genetically offer shades of blue and possibly green. Good chance Damian wouldn’t have them? Yes, most certainly. But those features are much more common in in the Middle East than people here in the States would like to believe, as it goes against the stereotypes we are taught about race and how people in those countries look. China is a huge country with many peoples. So is the region of the Middle East.
There are many boys and most likely actors from those areas of the world that look just like him. They are Damian.
The problem with Damian also comes from an inherited and continued problem from his mother’s family and their portrayal. Talia al Ghul herself has a very mixed heritage and how she is portrayed is very problematic. Her canon mother, Melisande, was of explicit mixed Chinese and Arab ancestry. Talia, when portrayed as good, is often drawn and colored as white. When placed in the role of villain, she sadly is often drawn or colored with darker skin and more “foreign” features. There is no excuse to not keep a consistent, and respectful look for her that keeps her looking like the multi-ethnic person that she is and not be deemed dangerous or ‘exotic’.
Her father, the over 600 year old skunk haired Ra’s al Ghul, is problematic and ambiguous himself. Touting an Arab name and hailing from a “a city whose inhabitants’ ancestors have journeyed to the Arabian Peninsula from China”, his race has always been hotly debated but drawn as more or less as Caucasian. He was, like his daughter, played by white actors in Nolan’s Batman trilogy; Liam Neeson and Marion Cotillard respectively. At best, I would put him as being very mixed himself, with an ancestry much like Melisande. Ra’s green eyes are not improbable either, influence of the Lazarus Pit or not, it’s the same as Damian’s blue eyes. Regardless, Ra’s should look mixed, Talia could appear even more so herself.
With Damian, colorists at routinely at fault, coloring Damian as lily-white when they could feasibly choose to do a darker skin tone. That doesn’t excuse artists who draw his features as anything but Caucasian most of the time either. Now, they could keep the Caucasian face structure, he looks a lot like Bruce, but color him with more of an olive or tan skin tone and a slightly different eye shape. Many fan artists seem to go that route, giving Damian simply a noticeably different complexion than the other former Robins. On the flip side, he could be drawn with more traditionally Asian or Arab facial structure and features but be colored as being pale, like Bruce. There is room for easy compromise to show what he truly is. There are many different possibilities. All don’t look exclusively white, blue eyes or not. Why is that so difficult?
Out of any of the current artists at DC Comics, I find Patrick Gleason is the only one who draws Damian as consistently more mixed looking. His Damian actually looks like he has a lot of Asian heritage, from the nose and face structure and in particular, his eye shape, especially as a child. His inking or the inking on his work never leaves room for the colorist to color the irises blue as others do, so they are mainly blacked out and dark. This is not to say that it’s good that he is shown with dark eyes, as I explained Damian can have very blue eyes and it’s perfectly fine, but Gleason gives Damian a very different look which you normally don’t see. The colorist colors him as very pale, but he actually looks mixed.
Despite Damian’s ambiguous appearance or DC’s inability to portraying him accurately, the reason why I think it is important that he be drawn as mixed is all about representation. There are many girls and boys of mixed heritage similar to Damian, or who are Asian or Iranian, Afghan or Pakistani; any of these particularly ignored groups aren’t portrayed often in Western pop media often in roles that are not bad guys or terrible stereotypes, particularly in the world of superheroes. And they need to see themselves. Entertainment in the US is very, very white, and to see a mixed child in a big pop-culture role as Robin is huge. It’s akin to having Miles Morales take over as Spider-Man in the Ultimate universe, and DC should be making more of an effort with Damian in that regard. He could be sold as such a benchmark, but they choose to ignore it instead. They’ve already wiped away Cassandra Cain from the Bat family, with no visible intention to bring her back (having deaged her mother, Lady Shiva, thus making it impossible for her to actually be Cassandra’s mother, a rather passive aggressive blow to Cassandra fans while they fret her existence and relationship to the Batfamily), it really wouldn’t hurt to emphasize the actual diversity that is present in the Batfamily with Damian, considering what little is left now. The fact that DC overlooks this opportunity is really sad.
WORD. hollywood does it notoriously too – prince of persia, ra’s himself, etc etc,
Not to be mean in any way, but A) Why should race matter at all? and B)How can you be partially jewish? religion is always taken from your mother, therefor you are considered to be whatever religion she is, unless you convert or adopt a new religion.
Jewish is not religion. The religion is Judaism. The Jews are a nation or tribe of Israel. It is an ethnicity. Hence Hitler referred to his attack on the Jews and Gypsies as Ethnic Cleansing, not religious cleansing. When a non Jew converts to the faith he converts to Judaism. Yes it is often referred to as the Jewish faith, and that is where the confusion comes in…but it IS the Jewish Faith. Judaism is the faith of the Jewish people. Why do you think there are people who say they are Jewish, but do not hold to any religion or are even atheistic or agnostic. But they are still Jews. It in essence is both an ethnicity as well as a faith.
A) Colorblindness or “We all bleed red” or “why should race matter at all” is an awful, awful thing to adhere to. Race does matter. Representation matters. Most children do not get to see themselves in large pop culture figures that aren’t stereotypes or villains, or worse stereotypical villains. They are led to believe white is the norm and they and their culture are regarded as second-rate or “lesser”. Heroes are almost never a person of color that are also the main character. I am white, male, 6’2, broad, dirty blonde and blue eyed. I can see myself in media and in comics all the time. Many do not have that pleasure and it is wrong that they don’t get to see themselves as positive role models and characters to root for. Plus, it’s boring. The Batfamily now is terribly boring diversity wise in the reboot. Case in point; Batgirl, she’s back to the white, safe, Barbara Gordon (genius, dancer, non disabled, brilliant Barbara), with no trace of the half-Asian Batgirl that was the first female person of color to headline her own book at DC and hold it for over 70 issues or the (while white and blonde) POOR lower class girl and former teen mother that replaced her.
Damian is a mixed child, he should be accurately portrayed as such and lauded as such. It’s a big deal, they should be really celebrating that fact. He can have blue eyes, but I would like to see an effort to show his race and heritage correctly. So far only patrick gleason has gotten him I think possibly right.
B) Ashkenazi Jews are Jews who settled into Western Europe, centered around Germany out into the historic areas now know as Austria, Hungary, Poland, Russia and other slavic and Soviet Union states. Basically most of the non-Mediterranian Jews in Europe were Ashkenazi and were in many places wiped out due to Hitler. I am mixed myself because my father is mostly Lutheran German ancestry (still white). My mother’s background from all of those above countries, plus Lithuania. Many Jews or people with Jewish heritage in the US are of Ashkenazi origin, who fled to the US due to persecution and The Holocaust or came at the turn of the century. Kate Kate, Batwoman, is Jewish, which she could get from her mother, as Judaism is a matriarchal religion, but her father could be Jewish too. Many theorize that Kate and Bruce are either first or second cousins, connected through Martha Wayne, whose maiden name was Kane. The Waynes are Puritans, white, Anglo, WASPS. If Thomas Wayne married Martha Kane, who could have come from a rich Ashkenazi (or mixed Jewish-Christian) background of Jewish and non-Jewish families, Bruce thus could be part Jewish or have Jewish ancestry. My cousin’s mother is Catholic, thus they are not technically Jewish under some sects of Jewish law, but their father is Jewish. Thus they are of partial Jewish ancestry.
“I would like to see an effort to show his race and heritage correctly.”
“Correctly”
Wow, i’m all for more racially diverse characters in the media, but what do u mean that by correct?? Are u implying that people of mixed heritage have to have certain features just so they can have your seal of approval of their heritage?
For example, my cousin is half Asian, but has predominantly Caucasian facial features and complexion. By what you deem as “correct”, does that mean she has no right to claim her Asian heritage because of her physical appearance?
I thought you of all people would know better that in every ethnicity and/or race, there is a large spectrum of what makes a person who they are instead of the rigid categories society has built.
Okay, I have no qualms with admitting my ignorance to the jewish being an *actual* race. I was wrong and didn’t mean offense. Thank you for teaching me. As far as the race thing goes, if you look at a villain and the first thing you see is his skin color, that seems racist to me. I personally don’t care what color the mass murder is, he’s still a mass murder. And as for having your ethnicity portrayed in a heroic role, it may be nice, but there are many more important things than his skin not being dark enough. If he’s mixed, great. It shouldn’t change how you view him or how his actions are viewed. He’s good or bad. Like you said ‘we all bleed red”. Although you disagree, I think too much emphasis is being put on who’s representing, and not WHAT they’re representing. I don’t care who the masked vigilante is, as long as he’s kickin’ the bad guy’s asses. Even better if it’s one that doesnt believe in killing. Justice is blind, and so is love. If you care what color person is being represented, than I think that’s more awful than not caring what color my super hero is at all. Hero is hero, no matter his color. Same for villains. Everyone comes from some ethnicity, that shouldnt change a single thing. And allowing it to only supports the idea that it matters over a million other WAY more important things. I’m sorry, I’m not trying to argue online or some stupid shit like that. I truly don’t understand why it matters though. Maybe because I’m mostly white I haven’t had the displeasure of being misrepresented in my country as much as other ethnicities, and I admit this is probably the main reason I think it shouldn’t matter, but I truly believe the message is more important than the messenger.
I don’t look at a villain and see his color, I notice when a lot of villains in Western media IF they are people of color, are often terribly stereotyped. And they are often the only representation you get. Hardly the hero. Hardly ever the main character. Asian people in movies and comics are often The “dragon lady” or kung fu masters or zen mystics. Cassandra Cain was no exception to this, she was the mute kung-fu Asian dynamo, she broke a lot of stereotypes but she was not perfect either. If a character is Middle Eastern they are more often than not jihad frenzied terrorists or mystical in nature as well. Any of the above are almost never the main character.
I will point out that for the movie Prince of Persia they cast two Caucasians for the main (good) leads for ancient Persia while an actual person of color, Ben Kingsley was cast as the villainous vizier. He’s been cast to be the same more or less as Mandarin in Iron Man 3. There was no reason they couldn’t have found a blue eyed, dashing, charismatic Iranian or Pakistani, Afghan actor and a similarly beautiful actress for the lead roles as the Prince and the Princess. Instead they cast Jake Gyllenhall and lily white freckled English Rose Gemma Arterton, who they slathered on spray tan for a short step away from brownface.
There was awful yellowface on white actor Jim Sturgess in Cloud Atlas instead of hiring a Korean actor play that dashing main male lead and all the incarnations of his character the way they did with his female counterpart and lover; Doona Bae. That movie is problematic and awful at best.
Colorblindness or the “everyone bleeds red” philosophy hurts and invalidates people who aren’t white who do not see themselves in pop media and wants to see themselves represented. YOU may not care who the masked vigilante is, but many girls and boys DO and you are not in the position to say to them “who cares or race doesn’t matter”.
I have read many letters online from people in other countries talking about how Disney movies and other white Eurocentric traditions and media (they talked mainly about Christmas in this instance) make them wish or long for a white snowy cold Christmas, because that is “what it is supposed to be” meanwhile it is summer in the Southern Hemisphere for them or they live in tropical areas. The prevalence of euro centric pop media and its inability to include others (yes they do, but no we don’t listen to Korean music the same way Koreans listen to American music for example. There is a poor and unequal interest in exchange of sharing culture and traditions/ways of life unless they are deemed ornamental by Western tastes and then people appropriate a lot of sometimes sacred things for fashion statements eg warbonnets and bindis ) are causing people to not respect or actively like their own selves and cultures. This is wrong, and we need to change that.
Damian is mixed. DC should be celebrating that fact since there are many children who are like Damian who wouldn’t know he was supposed to be just like them judging by the art and would most likely BUY the comic if they knew he was of mixed Arab and Asian descent. Sadly DC don’t want kids to read their books, they just want them to buy the toys. DC’s ridiculous 20-50 year old men demographic NEEDS to go.
Well I do get what’ you’re saying aboot our lack of culture and only using what we deem “ornamental”. This is very true indeed, but only applies to PoP culture, I think. To me though, That’s kind of like trying to be the cool kid and turning into something you’re not. Instead, why not make your interests what are popular instead of worrying aboot what other people have decided they think is cool. it’s all a matter of opinion, and if as many people as you say want to see mixed race, or even full other ethnicities besides white, maybe they should channel their criticisms into change, instead of, for a lack of a better word, whining aboot it. I have a sort of, thing I go by, You have no right to b!tch aboot something if you aren’t trying to change it. And If you are trying to change it. Not sayin’ that’s what you specifically are doing, just that if people want change, they should make it, not hope someone else will.
I am in fact trying to change this. I myself am writing my own Batgirls webcomic, with primarily female leads and emphasis on diversity and characters being reinvented to be less euro centric. Batman isn’t even really in it. It’s all about the girls, and there are lots of great changes to the characters to be more diverse and fun.
Your doing a webcomic on the girls, where are you posting it? I would like to read it. :D
Momo, sorry this is so late but you can read our comic here
http://batgirlincorporated.tumblr.com/post/38441754919/batgirl-incorporated-issue-1-first-previous
I do feel the need to point out one thing. Damian is a genetically altered being that was grown in an artificial womb. On the outside, his being white can be taken quite wrongly. Something to keep in mind, however, is that Talia could have specifically wanted Damian to physically represent his father as much as she could. The Batman is what
(Cont.) Ra’s is looking for as a successor. That being said, I wouldn’t be shocked if his looking as identical to his father as possible was on purpose.
Thank you for playing devil’s advocate.
jesus why can’t we just have normal ass things without the need for self important tools to shovel something out of their butt to bitch about. Damian was bred in a tank in an effort to create a second batman. It’s pretty damn evident that Damian is supposed to be a clone of batman, and the second Damian Talia creates becomes the batman who is set to destroy Gotham(once again, Damian is being grown in a tank) Do you actually read any batman? All your 2 Damian pictures are from the new 52(and both by Gleason), and really…? Patrick Gleason is your favorite Damian artist? He doesn’t look biracial at all when he’s drawn by Gleason, he just looks like he’s been slapped by a case of sameface compared to how cool and distinctive previous artists made him. Now let’s put aside the fact that you know nothing about batman. It doesn’t matter, you obviously are not looking for something real to complain about. What the fuck are you doing? How is this saving the world? Or helping. at all? No one gives a fuck, I know you think you’re privileged and blessed with outstanding intelligence because you’re white but seriously nobody feels struck down because a comic book character is white. It is a fact that an outstanding number of fictional characters are white but everyone who isn’t white is not a brain dead infant that operates on your standard of faggotry. Everything owned by anybody is corrupted, the media especially. The intellectual doesn’t have to watch tv and read comic books(and doesn’t allow something so frivolous to cause an actual moral dilemma), the ones who really matter are actually producing something and extending their rays to the world. No one is suffering by not being portrayed on the television or as a super hero because it doesn’t fucking matter. Stop bitching and put your energy and obstinacy into something that will actually aid the world.
Joe the Pirate is that you?
So I’m a “fake geek guy” huh then, that I don’t know Batman. Yeah…sorry I didn’t know I was on a game show. I’ll answer what is Magpie for the $500 dollar question, and then answer Betty Kane for 600 but oh shucks I don’t know who Holly Robinson is so I guess I loose this round.
I know that’s all from the Nu52, I know it’s all Gleason. I like his iteration. Others have drawn him rather well too as of lately, but some haven’t. It gets boring. I know he was made in a test tube, but genetically he’s still Talia’s son too. I’m not asking him to be too much of anything or either; just that he looks a little different than the other bat boys.
Can we have a “normal” thing? NO, because “normal” isn’t the regular normal anymore. It needs to change.
Also “No one is suffering by not being portrayed on the television or as a super hero because it doesn’t fucking matter.” EXCUSE ME?! Actually a lot of POC do NOT see themselves in American pop media and without representation means little inspiration to what they could be or what they’d like to do. Pop media is overwhelmingly white and especially in superheroes you do not see the top poc heroes getting their own solo books, movies or TV shows. There was a ruckus caused when Lucy Liu was cast as Watson in ‘Elementary’. Why? Because she was a woman and because she was Asian. It pissed people off because she was both. But she is incredibly important because she’s both, she’s the second lead and she is not a love interest to Sherlock, and she is not only a lead, but she isn’t stereotypical either. Arabs, African American, Latin Americans most people of color when portrayed in Western media is often stereotypical and just…bad. The Batman Family is less diverse in the Nu52 due to them cutting out Cassandra Cain and the changes made to all the Robin’s origins. IT IS IMPORTANT. Also “extending their rays to the world”? Dude, please, I am a writer and I’m writing my own comics and scripts that challenge the usual demographics.and expectations which I hope when I release them and self publish, will “extend such rays out” What the hell are you doing?
Everything you said became entirely irrelevant with this sentence right here: “It is a fact that an outstanding number of fictional characters are white but everyone who isn’t white is not a brain dead infant that operates on your standard of faggotry.” I think you’re done here. Move along.
“Stop bitching and put your energy and obstinacy into something that will actually aid the world.”
Because clearly you’ve made such epic changes in the world by posting this comment here and throwing around the word “faggot.” You are the music maker. You are the dreamer of dreams.
Now get out.
Not joe the pirate, that guy’s a tool.
Sorry, I should have said “no one intelligent is suffering from not being portrayed in the media.”
Pop culture isn’t important if you’re enough of a person to overcome it; it doesn’t take much energy to do so. I’m gay, I’ve never once felt cheated or hated because of a lack of portrayal of homosexuals in the media. My individual does not need to suffer or create pain because of pop culture-there are bigger more important things out there. Ya know, like people actually being discriminated in real life with larger consequences than being tremendously butthurt.
You are not an artist or a writer, why do expect these people to morph to your standards? Whoever has the talent can draw their characters however they want. The writer as well; if Grant Morrison wanted Damian to be white, what’s the problem with that? You certainly could not produce anything of his caliber(not saying I could either), so how can you demand someone with talent to skew with their own creations? For the most part, the artist is making a portrait of himself, of what he knows and a large portion of this is unconscious. Why should I ask a straight writer to write a gay character? It’s something that most straight people would not understand, and the deliberate action of doing so for strictly “moral” reasons creates the cliche, often a boring, dry, character without an ounce of soul.
Why is it so surprising that a white artist creates mostly white characters? They are doing nothing wrong, simply drawing a thousand iterations of themselves. To write a character at all is to confirm that character as yourself, a mirror image. How else could you understand their motives? If a white male portrays himself as a woman born into an African tribe, then awesome, but you can’t force people to do this. We’re dealing with the creative process, a world of symbols where no connection is causal; we can’t look at a creative work and treat issues such as race, gender, and sexuality in the same manner as we would in politics. But we worship the state, and so we’ve turned culture along with everything else back into the worship of the state. We forever perpetuate the mother’s nest, where there is no disorder and all things agree under a moral jurisdiction.
Obviously there’s a problem with the media, but it’s nobody doing the creating who is at fault. There’s simply not enough diversity among the artists. They’re all white males, and a nice handful of them do have talent, but you can’t expect them to create things that they truly cannot comprehend. Women have been horribly stereotyped, pretty much everyone can agree on this. Had women been writing roles about women this would’ve been different, but the fault doesn’t always lie with the male who struggles to understand womanly things. If I want to read a story about a woman, I want it to be by a woman-naturally. If a man who understands nothing about a woman writes a story, I’d much rather he’d leave out that woman and put in a man than try to reproduce something he cannot. Eventually when we stop treating culture as sovereignty and adapt a better method for sharing our stories with others we’ll be able to engage in truly honest tales about ourselves written by experts in the topic. Everything isn’t perfect at this moment right now, but hey, go fifty years in the past and you would shit your goddamn britches.
I never said I was doing any better than you at accomplishing anything. I haven’t done anything for society, for anyone or anything really. I regret that, it’s something I want to overcome more than anything, it’s something i’m sure all of us face. But you’re cheating, pulling this bullshit gag making yourself and all your peers believe you’re actually helping. This isn’t action, this is stupid.
And … what? You’re a writer? Show me something, show me something real. Tell me a story, I’d love to see what kind of brilliance you’re hiding.
Is your batgirl inc comic, “challenging the usual demographics” . Common man, you’re telling artists what to do and that comic looks like the product of an autistic twelve year old scene girl. But this is all I’ve seen by you, if you really think you belong on that pedestal I’d love if you could link me to some more of your work.
Also, common you guys are all like 16 quit being so rigid. By “FAGGOT” I mean like, “wow what a faggot”, or “you’ve been a real faggot today”, or “Look at all these faggots on tumblr” . Quit being so goddamn serious, everything doesn’t have to be offensive all the time.
Anyway, please do reply love, it’d be nice
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Ok, I understand who things work crabman, we gotta act like everyone else has the downs. That’s cool, I can respect a policy fair enough. I will not say the n word with a strong r or f-g-ot. But if you do reply article writer you can totally say whatever the fuck you want to me. I’m giving written permission Crabbob if that matters at all. I can assure you my new writer/visionary friend here will not offend me.
Anyway dog, not asking for either of us to win here but seriously you were such an eager beaver the first time around. If you’re going to voice your opinion and write an article you have the responsibility to defend your position or you deny it’s credibility.
But isn’t Damian 1/8th Arabian, 1/8th Chinese 6/8th (3/4) White. Talia’s mother is white, and so are Bruce’s parents. Ony Ra’s Al Guhl isn’t, he is half Arabian and half Chinese. Naturally he would look mostly white.
People of colour (in my country at least) don’t divide themselves like that buddy let me tell you whut
As a kid growing up one of the highest insults I could ever get was people telling me “you’re only half Aboriginal”
It makes me cringe when people actually work out their heritage IN PERCENTAGE
Like we have to have a fucking pedigree like a dog. (Yeah this dog is
1/4 German shepherd 1/16 Pomeranian etc..)
No. People are people. Damian is of mixed heritage and that’s all you have to say, you could go on to say his father is pasty white while his mother enjoys an extremely diverse mixed background. Absolutely unnecessary to do the percentage thing
It’s people like you, who feel the need to work out a persons exact percent of colourness that perpetuate the “you have more white in you even though you say you’re from race X you are WHITE join us cast aside your rich and varied ancestry because being white is attractive anything else is not”